Manufacturing eCommerce Success – with Meaghan Ziemba

Curt Anderson  00:01

Hey Damon. Did you just say awesome? Did I hear you say? Yes. Well guess what, dude, it

Damon Pistulka  00:06

is Monday.

Curt Anderson  00:07

How about it’s Monday. Thank God. It is Monday because man, are you sitting down for this one?

Damon Pistulka  00:13

Yes, I am.

Curt Anderson  00:14

You get a good night’s sleep last night for this one.

Damon Pistulka  00:16

I certainly did. Man.

Curt Anderson  00:18

I went to bed at like 730 Last night just to prepare. We’re ready to go. Hey, we got Nicole Donnelly, she’s ready to bug me. She’s ready. Nicole, Happy Monday to you. How are you?

Nicole Donnelly  00:27

Oh my gosh, I am I I’ve been so excited about this conversation too. I am so stoked to talk to Meaghan all about women in manufacturing. And she’s just a beast. She’s.

Curt Anderson  00:40

So what So let’s talk about Meaghan for a little bit since she’s not on the stage yet and just look. Oh wait, she’s already here. Meaghan, happy

Damon Pistulka  00:48

Monday.

Curt Anderson  00:48

How are you? I didn’t realize you were here.

Meaghan Ziemba  00:50

Good. How are you doing? I got it all figured out. So streaming.

Curt Anderson  00:58

So I guys, hey, Curt Anderson here. My co host my brother from another mother. We got Damon basically on the other side of the country live in at large in Seattle. We’ve got my partner in crime right above me. We’ve got Nicole Donnelly, Dng digital the one the only. And of course it is our honor. It is our privilege to introduce I can’t imagine you’re not familiar with this young lady. Meaghan Ziemba the Maven. I’ve trained Meaghan, happy Monday. How are you?

Meaghan Ziemba  01:30

Good. Happy Monday, everyone. Thanks for having me. I’m really excited. I was definitely looking forward to this conversation because I was on once before and I had a lot of fun.

Curt Anderson  01:39

So the cold demon we have a repeat offender here. So she didn’t learn enough the first time and so she’s a glutton for punishment. She’s coming back. But hey, we’ve got a bunch of people dropping notes here. So hole in air and Amen. Happy Monday. We’ve got Dinesh here today, we’ve got my shirt here. Hello. It’s you, Elizabeth this year. Man. We’ve got all sorts of fun friends. So guys, hey, what do you use in the house today hit me. And I just talked with Whitney on Friday. So we’re doing some fun things. So Whitney had to hope you guys had a great weekend. So I Let’s kick things off. Now. Meaghan, if you recall, since you are a repeat offender, you were on the program before and it happened to be a holiday around that time, Damon? Yep. It was Thanksgiving week just for a little fresh reminder to everybody. And so we open up in the program talking about who and what we were thankful for. Meaghan, I don’t know if you remember that at all, but I’m going to change gears. I’m throwing a little curveball at you today. Okay, okay. So last time we talked I asked you who you were grateful who you were thankful for it because it was around Thanksgiving time. It was like a couple years ago. Today, I have a little different question for you. Are you ready? Are you sitting down? Are you ready for this one? Sitting down yet? Here we go. Seatbelt strap magazine, but when you were a little girl growing up and Damon now if you’re new if you remember this from our last episode, guess where she’s from? Originally, upstate New York. For Staters, right? She’s originally from upstate New York. So Meaghan, when you were a little girl growing up, became this amazing, credible manufacturing Rockstar that you are. And your little girl growing up? Who was your hero? Who was your hero as a little girl growing up?

Meaghan Ziemba  03:24

That’s such a tough question. But I’m gonna have to in this is probably cliche of me saying but I’m just gonna have to say my mom because she took care of six of us when my dad was working. So I’m the youngest of six. They’ve been married over 50 years. And she was a rock star stay at home mom. And we all wanted to be mothers because of her. We all wanted to be married and have kids and she always encouraged us to try things and never like back down for anything. And she highly encouraged us all to pursue college and try to be as successful as we can. Because she felt that she kind of lost that opportunity. Like she made a huge sacrifice to quit nursing to be a stay at home mom and she just yeah, she’s a rock star, every birthday, every single birthday that we had, we each had our own custom cake that she made and that’s why I do what I do with my kids on their birthdays. I make them their own homemade cake. And whatever they tell me they want I’ve tried to make it I’m not the best cake designer, but you know at least try it and the kids have fun with it. So

Curt Anderson  04:29

definitely. Awesome. Well, hey, that’s one of our favorite answers Meaghan and mom’s name can you share mom’s name with us please? Yeah,

Meaghan Ziemba  04:35

her name is Kathy or Kathleen Carson’s

Curt Anderson  04:40

big shout out when she catches us later how proud what a wonderful just powerhouse that she created. So whatever she did great role model helping you know raise six, six kids. And just you know, you’re a mom of three yourself and just you know, we just love having you on the show. And hey, we got Bonnie here today. Bye. Something wonderful manufacturer in listener says, Hey, Long Island, New York here my mom two solos. But thank you for jumping guys drop comments in the chat box, let us know that you’re out there, let us know you’re coming from, drop a note and a hello to Megan, bring those questions on. And so Nicole, you guys fire into questions I’m gonna kick off with the first one Megan talked about a little bit last time. But for folks that aren’t familiar with you, you are the Maven of manufacturing. curious minds want to know, can you please share give us a little background of main mavens of manufacturing What led you to bring your superpowers and to make a world better a better place with this whole drive towards manufacturing?

Meaghan Ziemba  05:41

Yeah, so I’m a technical writer by trade for industrial manufacturers. And when COVID hit, I was kind of going through this transition period of quitting my job and then starting zinc solutions, which is my writing business. And then at the time, when I was married, my husband lost his job. So I had to go back to corporate started working for this chemical etching company, right around COVID. And a lot of people were going to LinkedIn and other channels to create content to kind of maintain their sanity. And I just saw a lot of conversations around the issues happening in our sector. And it was dealing with a bunch of guys. So when I tried suggesting women guests, they would be like, oh, yeah, we’ll reach out to them. And then they never did. So I said, Screw it, I’m just gonna start naming the manufacturing. And the reason why I did it, and call them evens of manufacturing is I noticed a trend among women who were in engineering and technology in manufacturing using the term Maven. So there was this assumption that I saw that people were like, oh, MAVEN is a female. And it’s not it’s a gender neutral world word. And it means connoisseur expert. So I didn’t want to create another woman in something, podcast, because I just wanted to focus on the skill sets that women are bringing to the sector and how they’re setting the new standards for the industry. So I created maintenance manufacturing, I sent out a note and said, Hey, if anybody’s interested in sharing your story, please let me know. And I actually booked up until April of the following year. So I made the announcement in December, I had shows booked up until April. And it’s just been going strong ever since. And it’s been a lot of fun. Really crazy, because I just started it for fun. And now it’s turned into like a business of its own. So that’s awesome.

Nicole Donnelly  07:26

When you’re passionate about something, it’s amazing.

Meaghan Ziemba  07:30

Yeah, so it’s kind of weird that like you’re saying the mavens the manufacturing, because my whole focus was just on the women who are because they’re the true mavens of manufacturing, they’re actually putting their boots to the ground and creating these products and stuff. I just I’m really good at storytelling and connecting with people and bridging gaps. So I just wanted to make that platform for them to feel comfortable enough and be their authentic selves and share why they love this sector. Because there is some misconception still that, you know, this isn’t a place for women, or it’s not as creative or some women are afraid to come to it, because they don’t know if they’d fit in. And I’ve met so many amazing women already just through Mayman. So I just want to show that next generation and the current generations who might not be happy with their current career that, hey, you can change your mind and come join us. We have a lot of fun here. So come join the fun.

Nicole Donnelly  08:21

And I have a question for you. Oh, so good. What is it about? You mentioned specifically that women bring unique skill sets to manufacturing? What have you seen because you’ve just you’ve met so many amazing mavens and women in manufacturing, what are some of the unique skill sets that you think are that you’ve seen that women are bringing?

Meaghan Ziemba  08:42

So I think women are better at building relationships when we’re not competing with one another because I’ve also seen the negative aspect of being in a male dominated industry, we tend to compete for that only spot with that was at the table, when actually there’s more seats there, we can either build our own table or just bring up more chairs. So we’re very collaborative. And I think we’re very understanding as well too. And we tend to listen a little bit more. And we want everybody to be successful. So I have a lot of women that I’m connected to, I have to shout out automation, ladies, Nikki and Allie Gonzalez and Courtney Fernandez. And then there’s another manufacturing podcast that just came out her name is Shay. And it’s called manufacturing muscle. So she’s going to be on the show later on. And then I might be on her podcast as well, too. But we’re not here really to compete with one another, like we want each other to be successful. And I told that to every girl that I’ve come across, like I’m not competing with you, I want you to beat me, I want you to be better than me. And that’s the only way we’re going to be successful in this type of industry as if we support one another. So I think we bring a lot of creativity as well too. And we just bring a different perspective. Like you can’t make things just for one group. You have to be able to make things for different groups and one have the biggest conversations that I am really curious about is all of the PPE stuff that’s coming out. So there’s plenty of women who made a lot of clothing brands for this specific industry. And they’re just more form fitting and they’re fashionable. And a lot of people think that’s kind of crazy to think of, but it actually isn’t like, there’s a lot of women who like to express who they are through their fashion. And there was a lot of ugly clothes in this industry. Oh, yeah.

Curt Anderson  10:29

Right. So it’s almost unfashionable guys that are just making a mess of fittings, right. Yeah.

Meaghan Ziemba  10:35

So it’s cool to see that perspective of things and like shoes, like I don’t think people understand how many times women have had to change their shoes. So now, you know, work where is one of the companies that I follow very closely, she made these really cute boots, steel toe boots, and like, they’re just amazing. Like, I love them. So I’m hoping to get a pair soon. I just been spending my money elsewhere, not on the shoes, but she’s an amazing lady. And I think it’s cool that you know, they bring that perspective and that creativity to the sector.

Curt Anderson  11:08

Well, Meaghan, I love that and let’s give a few shout out to chat boxes. just joining us, again, no introduction needed and I just I know you are super humble Meaghan, but in my book, you’re still the Maven of manufacturing. But Abraham you’re talking mavens manufacturing. And Nathan says awesome contribution. We got Nikhil, we’ve got Shawn, coming from Nova Scotia. From India, we’ve got all sorts of folks Whitney Jobson note here. Nice to see you, Meaghan. She’s gonna be back in Milwaukee. Mr. Think bigger, bigger day. And boy, we’ve got guys get chatbox Bonnie says Good for you. Meaghan passion wins. We got Justin here today had no idea Maven as a general nurse, neutral term. That’s a great point. So again, guys, Damon, if you keep an eye if I missing anything, or did I miss anything, but let’s keep this eight. And I’m familiar that shoot che is amazing. So a lot of great comments here, keep them common. So alright, let’s go here, Meaghan. So you are a fierce advocate for young folks, high schoolers when you and I first met um, it was like, manufacturing month and like you were all over the place, our little kind of the manufacturing mafia, if you will, you know, the group of rockstars that you hang out with just fierce advocates of getting young folks fired up and excited about manufacturing, go there a little bit like why should young people be considering manufacturing as a career ahead of them? Why should you know, do all three of us on the stage here we are girl moms and dads here, Nicole Damon and myself, you’re such an inspiration for our daughters? Why should young folks in particular young ladies be considering a career in manufacturing?

Meaghan Ziemba  12:46

Because what do we need them? We got the labor shortage that’s around, right. And if we don’t start filling it, it’s not just an economic threat, it’s actually a national security threat manufacturing is what makes the world go round. And I think a lot of people take for granted that, you know, there’s small products that we don’t know, the whole process behind making those small products, like it’s not just something very simple. To create something as small as like a thin metal piece that’s put into our cell phones, like there’s a lot of energy and thought that goes into creating something that thin and not sustainable to make something lasts as long as it does. So we need younger people because they look at the world from a different perspective than we do. And the next generation is called the Digital Natives for a reason. They’re so connected. So they’re going to understand technology a lot better than some of the older generations. And we definitely need that for all the advanced technologies and the automation that’s happening. And in retro, like in another perspective to like, it’s just a place for everyone. You don’t have to necessarily work well with your hands you don’t necessarily need to be good at and like math or science. You could be a creative writer, like that’s where I started out. And then I found out that’s tech, professional writing. You could be you know, someone that’s good in finance, there’s a lot of companies that need people who are good at numbers and crunching those numbers, there’s supply chain, there’s distribution, there’s packaging, there’s so many opportunities for people to come here. And whatever they value, put their heart and soul into that and make something really great. And if we don’t start closing these gaps, again, like I mentioned before, we have a really huge national security threat on our hands if we don’t start bringing back the pride and passion in American manufacturing. But that’s just like my opinion. So I think we need to just get them exposed to it. Let them see the difference that they can make. Because there’s a lot of kids out there that do want to provide value. I know there’s this assumption that the next generation doesn’t want to work and they all want to be some sort of influence or like the Kardashians, but I’ve talked to so many students and that’s not the case at all. Like we just have to have the conversation with them. That’s amazing.

Curt Anderson  15:01

I was told this comment, Nicole, Meaghan has nailed a couple of critical elements manufacturing is required. Justin, I think I saw he dropped a comment, bring domestic manufacturing back in and the supply chain issues. Okay. We just need to kind of just say, Yeah, that one.

Damon Pistulka  15:19

Okay, you had something a while ago, you said something you didn’t even think about it. You said something about women, you know, places in manufacturing where you build your own table, bring more chairs. I mean, I’m gonna tell you from my experience, that the women I work with in manufacturing, taught me more about being a good leader in running a good business than I would have ever learned anywhere else. Because they’re so good at that. So good at putting together groups of dissimilar people are so good and empowering others to be to be really good at what they do. And I was just fortunate to be able to do it. But you went over it quickly. And I think we should think about that event. Because they we need them in manufacturing more than we even realize.

Curt Anderson  16:13

Yeah, I agree. And hey, hey, Katie is here today. So Caitlin, I keep getting I gave up smoking last month. But what’s funny is I don’t I don’t I don’t I so anyway, what’s funny, is I was just telling somebody this morning. So Nicole, Dave and I, we had we had, we had Gen Z or on this was millennial or Gen Z or on the show a couple weeks ago. And he was making fun of us because Dave, and I still had our pens, and we were still writing. And I was like, I’m like Damon, I’m like, he’s waiting for us to get our pink oil out and dip our you know, like, yeah, like, he’s like, I’m all digital, I do everything on tablets. But let’s go. Let’s go here. I love so I just did a couple of site tours this morning. Everybody in the panel, everybody on it’s going to absolutely love this. So the SBDC Small Biz Bowman center, State Director of New York wanted to visit a couple of manufacturers. So I took her to a couple of manufacturers this morning. And it’s one tour that we went on this company is so cutting edge team and you’re gonna love this. They have key fobs to let their employees come in virtually any time to work on the floor. So like, you know, kids are in the basketball tournament over the weekend, they could come in at three in the morning and just knock down a couple of hours of their shift and then be with their family when they need to make a come in. Anytime they have a couple of requirements to people on a cell or whatever it might look like. But you know, very diverse crowd. Lots of women. And you know, the plant manager is my dear friend Andrea, she is woman hear me roar. So Meaghan, what do you hear? And as far as like the needs for flexibility, diversity? Let’s let’s go there a little bit, if you could, what do you How can manufacturers help inspire that flexible workforce?

Meaghan Ziemba  17:49

So I think one, we just need to recognize that it is possible in some situations, I don’t think in every situation, it can be possible. But then again, that’s going to determine the type of work that an employer is looking for and who they’re most compatible with when they’re trying to find a job. I’m a writer. So I mean, I can work from anywhere as long as there’s a laptop and a good Wi Fi connection. So there’s really no excuse for me to have to like, be anywhere specific for a certain amount of time. And creatives are just more weird with how we create, I guess we’re using the wrong word. But like I can’t write in an office when there’s 20 Other people coming to me asking me all kinds of questions, it just kind of disrupts my workflow. And most of the time when I do read, it’s like, late at night, because my kids are sleeping. So I have weird work hours, like I don’t work the same set of hours all the time. But when you’re on the shop floor, it’s a little bit different. And I think there’s a way to create a flex schedule where you’re getting those hours, I just, I’m not too familiar with what the laws are state by state. So I don’t know if there’s something that affects that. But I mean, if you can let a person decide to come in early so they can leave earlier so they can pick up their kids. I know that would be extremely helpful for some families, because sometimes they split it up where like, depending on the parents schedule, one can drop them off in the morning, and then the other person can pick them up in the afternoon if they have that alternating schedule. The other thing that’s really interesting is I just had a conversation last week with Angie Simon. And she created this heavy metal summer experience where it’s teaching kids about the trades, but she comes from the construction industry. And one of the things that they’re creating are actually breastfeeding pods for construction sites. So any woman that’s in construction actually has a private space on site to go and pump if they need to pump so I think there’s other factors involved too that would help more women get attractive for diversity. I mean, we have to start having tough conversations around diversity in the United States because we have such a melting pot of different cultures and experiences, and identities, we really need to start understanding why it’s important for us to accept someone that might not identify it in a certain way that we’re all used to identifying. And so we have to kind of take a step back outside of our own personal experiences, and ask ourselves some really hard questions of like, why a certain thing might bother someone else, and then how we can make it more comfortable for facilities to be more inclusive in terms of those issues that we see everyday on the media. So what kind of inclusive language can you include in your job description? How can you put that into your work culture in your environment, like you don’t have to agree with people’s personal opinions, but you should respect them as a human being. And I think once we can have those hard conversations and open dialogue, it would be a lot better for leadership and their companies as a whole, because then you’re attracting that next generation, which that is a really hot topic. For Gen Z, my daughter is part of it, her and I have had some pretty deep conversations about her friends and herself. And it’s, it’s matters to them. So how can we do that? And then what sort of organizations can you partner with? So I know a ton of organizations I’m going to call out Kara branch, she’s doing amazing things she started out as a chemical engineer, she now founded, founded this black girls do engineer organization. And it’s because her daughter came up to her and said she wanted to be a software engineer, Kara was like, when I was in the chemical space, she’s like, I was the only woman for the most part. And I was the only woman of color the next part. So I didn’t want her to go through the same advanced adversity experiences that I went through. So she started this black girls do engineer to help bring awareness to black girls in her community about the STEM opportunities that exists. And I think within three years, she had three chapters because it grew so much. So we just have to start having these conversations. Because if we think that, Oh, they’re just not interested in Oh, if we just wait around people come, no, we have to be more proactive and have these conversations because nobody’s going to pursue something if they’re not aware of it, or if they don’t see themselves either.

Curt Anderson  22:16

Well, that’s fantastic. And Damon, did you want to drop a comment as well, I have a question for you.

Damon Pistulka  22:23

It’s good stuff. Because you know, that couple things just right off the top. I mean, if you don’t have your all your documentation, and in a couple of different languages, right now, what are you doing? I mean, this simple stuff. And and when you talk about the words we use the things we do, we’ve been doing a lot of work with us and clients. And it’s amazing. When you go back and look at stuff and you say, Why? Why did we do it like that? We have to have these conversations, because we don’t even know that we’re pushing people away?

Nicole Donnelly  22:53

Yeah, I haven’t. That’s my question. I think a lot of folks are just ignorant about it. Yeah. You know, and so what Meaghan, as an advocate, what are some things specifically that you think manufacturers need to be thinking about? So that we can because ignorance is no excuse? So how, what specifically should they be thinking about and really thinking about in this industry that people should be including when they’re thinking about inclusivity? And diversity? Because you’re right on, I think people might, you know, feel a little bit lost about where do I start? What do I do?

Meaghan Ziemba  23:22

I think you need to start with their employees and ask them how their experience working with their company has been, because you’re not going to know what you’re doing wrong, unless you have those conversations with your employees, and you need to make it a safe space for them to be open and transparent about it. I’ve worked with a lot of companies where ego just got in the way and they weren’t comfortable having an issue, like we have to get the stigma out of our minds that if we make mistakes, and we’re not doing things right, then that means we’re a failure, and we’re gonna lose business. That’s, that’s not what that means. As long as we’re 1%, better tomorrow than we were today. That’s still a step towards progress. So we really need to just change our perspective on, you know, what failure is and what mistakes are, and get our egos out of the way and just be more open to having some of these tough conversations. And again, on the flip side of that, people who are applying for jobs also need to take some responsibility as well, in my opinion, if you’re not compatible with a company, then don’t apply there. Find a company that you are compatible with, because there’s a lot of places that have open positions now. So it’s not just up to the employer. There’s some work that’s got to be done on the employer side as well, too. And if you’re having these conversations, and someone gets offended, you got to start asking, Okay, why did I offend you? And kind of expressed that it wasn’t intentional. If it was intentional, then I’m going to question some of your business ethic. But, um, yeah, we just got to be more open to have conversations. Like right now. I think a lot of people are oversensitive to some things, and that’s all good and well, but when we We need to work together to bring things together in our economy. We have to learn to bring respect back and just agree to disagree. Yep, I might make people mad about them.

Damon Pistulka  25:12

Though, so true. Yeah. I mean, you’re not going to agree with everything of everybody else around you. And you’re in a manufacturing space, you can be in that place with 100 other people. But it’s the people when you look at the person and are they are they they’re working together trying to help do what you’re supposed to do. That’s the main thing.

Curt Anderson  25:30

Yeah. And it’s, it’s tough when you’re on site with people because like, you have times you probably spend more time with that person next to you than you are, you know, family or your spouse or whatever that might look like. But, you know, Nicole, I want to, there’s a couple of comments, I’m gonna give us a pulled back up here, says, you know, kids want to work, we just need to help them find their passion. I want to I want to stick on that for a minute. Brittany, thank you for joining us today. Thank you, Elizabeth. Thank you for your comments. Katie had a good comment in here. You know, the manufacturing is the driving force of our economy. But Nicole as a, as a daughter of a manufacturer you grew up in, I’m going to slide into this Meg. And so I’m going to slide in, let’s throw in like our marketing hat. I want to talk about Z Inc. You know, your superpowers there. Nicole, you’re a fierce marketer grew up as a daughter of a manufacturer? How do you what advice do you have? And then I’m gonna come to you, Megan, with similar question, how do you? How do you feel you can help young people be passionate about manufacturing?

Nicole Donnelly  26:23

I think the more that, that you really understand what people are making, like be amazed, like what goes into the making of the product. It’s really thrilling, and understanding how that’s impacting on a much larger scale. So like, Meaghan, you mentioned earlier, you know, some people are manufacturing these like really tiny parts, right? But if they don’t step back and see like, what, what is this part for how’s it being used? What is the greater impact this part is having, they can see and understand the larger picture of what it is that they’re making and understand. And that was, I think, for me, what got me really excited was like, you know, this isn’t just like some big square metal box that we’re you know, making for these people, this is actually something that’s really, you know, impacting the environment and helping in those ways. So being able to understand what the greater picture of I think helped me and I don’t know how to potentially help others.

Curt Anderson  27:15

So Megan, with all the high school kids that you’re teaching, coaching your workshops or speaking gigs, everything that you’re doing just so fierce advocate, what are some things that you hear with that really resonates with young folks where they’re like, I had no idea how cool this was? What are some of the any, any success stories you want to share there?

Meaghan Ziemba  27:33

So I just went and visited the high school that I graduated from, to get to know the, I’m gonna mess up the acronym but it’s it’s one of the first robotic League teams, it’s not the FRC, I think it’s the it’s the FIRST Tech Challenge team FTC. I’m just learning this stuff as I’m going. But they were telling me that, you know, the reason why they joined the robotics team is because they wanted to learn more of the soft skills. And I think we’re doing a terrible job instilling the soft skills in the kids that are going to school today. So they want to work. One of the things my daughter was really terrible at was face to face communication, because you have to kind of figure they’re all connected to their cell phones one way or the other. But the thing is, is because they are connected to their phones, they’re also researching a lot of things. So I thought my daughter was just taking pictures and posting them on Instagram, like they do. But she was actually doing research on all of her makeup products, all of her facial products, all of her clothes. The other big thing that I noticed is they like thrifting. So they don’t like buying new. Well, I’m not going to say this all compassing them in a general sense. But my daughter, for instance, she didn’t like buying new clothes, like she likes going for shopping, because she’s like, well, you know, they look brand new, why does it matter? And it saves energy. If we’re not buying new clothes all the time and wasting all this energy. And I was just like, what, like, Where the hell did that come from? Like I was just blown away. So I think the other thing too, is, a lot of them were interested in sustainability from the conversations that I had, like, they want to know how we can create value in terms of like not wasting so much energy or putting so much pollution in the earth. And yes, that might be a different opinion than what other people have. But this is some of the stuff that they’re interested in. One person that I talked to on the tech team, she’s like, I just wanted to learn how to public speak better, because she’s like, I don’t know how to do that very well. I get tensed up and I shake she’s like I actually want to work. I don’t want to see mortuary. She basically wants to work with dead bodies, which I thought was interesting. But again, like she’s learning all this new technology and everything. And one of the things that they really liked about being on the first robotics team as they were able to meet professionals within industry and learn about what they were doing, which made them even more excited because some of the mentors and what they were talking to Well, that doesn’t get taught in school. So they weren’t able to understand like, the height of the opportunities available until they join this team and they met other people outside of their region, talking about the things that they were doing. So I think we need to figure out ways on how to connect them outside of their community as well, too. And one of the things that I did is I had a virtual summit a few years back, it was right around when COVID was still kind of prevalent, and manufacturers didn’t want to open up their doors because they just didn’t want to get kids sick. So I actually invited eight presenters in Jay Cole, Tim wellborn, Amber wellborn, Aaron crafter, I had Jesse Salazar, who at the time was part of the Department of Defense that the Pentagon, they all came in and talked about some of the things that they were doing an engineering and manufacturing, and the kids got really excited about it, because they were like, we’re not learning about any of that. So I think we just need to be a little bit more creative, and then have conversations and really ask these kids what they like what they’re passionate about. It’s just a simple conversation that you would have with any old stranger, you know, like, you just gotta be willing to go in front of them and talk to them about it. The other thing is, too, is I think we need to do something to inspire the teachers to get them excited again, because I think they’re overwhelmed as well. They don’t get paid enough for what they do, in my opinion, so I think if we can give them I just heard this word, it was like an external ship, or internship where some communities are taking teachers and actually giving them an opportunity to upskill their skill set, and they’re learning what people in the actual industry are doing so that they can take that information and bring it back to the schools and teach the kids so I think that’s something we need to consider too.

Curt Anderson  31:50

Well, that’s fantastic. Cool. So everybody join us if you’re if you’re coming in over the top of the hour. We’re here with Meaghan Ziemba today, Z, Inc, V Maven of manufacturing. And I just wanted to pull up a comment here from Kelly, another opportunities give space that allows others to be their authentic self, meet people where they are invite them to see what they can do the manufacturing world. And we have a question I want to put out, I don’t want pretty man spot an egg in here you go. I’m going to go there. What suggestions do you have to deal with over sensitivity? How to how, how it affects how does it affect productivity? Any thoughts comments on that question there from Karen? Karen, thank you for the question. Yeah.

Meaghan Ziemba  32:31

How does it affect? I, I always want to ask why someone might be oversensitive about something. So I try to ask why. So someone gets upset about something, I want to take them aside and be like, Okay, this really upset you? Why did that upset you. And I let them know that I’m not the smartest person in the world, either. So I’m going to have learning experiences myself. And I think once you find that common ground, and that understanding that one that’s going to let them know that you’re willing to open up your doors to your own self and admit that you don’t know everything, and hey, I might be coming up short here. But I’m want to have this conversation because I want to better myself as well, too. So that’s going to show that you care. And employees who work with companies with leadership that cares, they’re always more productive, in my opinion, like, so there’s some companies that I’ve worked with in the leaders that were like, Hey, let’s do one on one coffees, let’s have a conversation. Where are you struggling? What can I help you with? We’re the leadership kind of acted like an employee themselves, instead of like, Oh, I’m the big dog CEO. Employees like that. They appreciated that more. And they actually wanted to come to work and do good for the rest of the team. So it really does start with leadership. And I think we just need to be careful about some people’s over sensitivity as well, too, because you never know what’s going on in people’s lives. One leader that I one manager that I had, she gave us mental health days. So she’s like, if you need to leave in the middle of the day, because something’s going on. Just tell me you need to take a mental health day and you can leave and I’ll figure the rest of the day out for you. She’s like, as long as you’re not overusing that or over abusing it. She’s like, I don’t care. Just go, refreshed reset. Because if you’re having a bad day, it’s going to be on your mind for the rest of the day and you’re not going to get anything done. I don’t know how that would work out on a shop floor to be honest, because you can’t really just let people leave whenever they want because you have to be a production. So that’s something that I would need to like do research on or think more about because it’s a different setting. It’s not going to be the same for every place in your facility.

Curt Anderson  34:47

Well more great comments here we’ve got team says people are not failures only projects Kelly jobs. Another great comment here about a youth apprentice program. Then when we get our buddy Mark Hill, Mark, Mark l Mark Illinois so every high schooler should read So Good They Can’t Ignore You. So that’s a great suggestion there. We’ve got Kerry dropping note our community does teacher counselor externship during the summer so that is fantastic. Thank you Carrie. Again, guys. Thank you for the comments here. How about this was from Rebecca, Rebecca, happy Monday, teach the teacher. Let’s slide on our marketing hats. Okay, let’s go there. So we’ve got some marketing minds on stage, we’ve got some marketing minds in the crowd here. Manufacture is not always synonymous with with marketing. I know that might be a little shocker there. Right? Megan, what inspired you to bring your superpowers from a marketing standpoint, copywriting, let’s talk, let’s talk a little bit about what are you seeing with manufacturers? What should they be doing? What are they not doing? From your perspective, from a marketing standpoint?

Meaghan Ziemba  35:50

Are they they’re getting better at it. But for whatever reason, they really aren’t very good at sharing their stories. So I like when I first started out back in 2008, one of the things that kept coming up was like, Well, why would I share that what we do is boring, there’s no value behind it. So I like to try to take those quote unquote, boring components and find out what they’re actually being used for. So I mentioned that I worked for a photochemical etching company. And we had these thin metal parts that went in some components that actually were on Mars. And the big issue nowadays seems to be NDAs. Like, I hate MBAs, I understand why people sign up, and I understand what people have them. But it really does put kind of a kink into, can you hear still hear me? Yes, okay, my headphones did something weird sounds like I did I cut out. But it really does put a kink in how manufacturers are able to talk about themselves. So I always try to tell manufacturers, there is a way to share those stories and be very vague about them. And just say, Hey, you don’t necessarily have to focus on that component and that specific company, but maybe focus on the process of that component, and how it’s helping other companies. So that you’re still telling that story of why it’s important to do business with you. Another thing I think companies should try to do more of is testimonials. Because that’s, like, going to showcase your credibility. So if you can get a few customers who aren’t so picky about the NDAs, and have them just say, Hey, this is why I like this company. These are the reasons why we get along. This is why I trust them. Here’s the notes about their team and why they’re so easy to work with, that’s really going to help open the doors for other businesses to come in. I think word of mouth is still a huge component to how businesses get leads. So just try to, you know, build those trusting relationships and brag about yourself as much as you can. I shouldn’t say brag, because that sounds like not humble or anything. But um, yeah, I think definitely work on that. Social media is another thing. There’s a lot of companies that are being too forceful in their energy. And you can tell so it’s like, just be yourself. Just be a human being just be who you are. Don’t try to oversell yourself or over energize yourself. Like if you’re a person that’s kind of snarky, and you know, sarcastic. Put that in your voice put that in your tone. Not everybody’s gonna like you. And that’s okay. I’ve when I first started out with mavens, I had a bunch of people come up to me and tell me who I should be like, and who I shouldn’t be like, and I just think that’s the worst piece of advice that you can give yourself. Just be yourself. And yeah, try try. Try something at least once. I know video is a huge thing. But if you suck at video, please don’t do it. Like just

Curt Anderson  38:55

gaming. I guess I just need to cancel the show.

Damon Pistulka  39:02

Yeah, right now,

Meaghan Ziemba  39:03

thank you, if you want to do that, and you’re terrible at it, just please don’t do it. Because this, you can tell. And this is coming from someone that is not very good at video, like I just, but there’s people that I know that can help you with that. Yeah, like there is. So if you need recommendations, I would love to give you the recommendations. And I’m saying this coming from a place where my first video was freaking terrible. It was so bad. But then I connected with the right people and I got some tips. I still have a lot of work to do, as you can tell. But again, if you are not very good at something, please don’t do it. Like just find someone that can

Nicole Donnelly  39:43

ask for help. I totally know. I’ve worked with archers who are fierce introverts and they on camera. They were just robots just know the personality that I saw them that was just so vibrant.

Damon Pistulka  39:57

And 3.25 inches wide, but yeah

Nicole Donnelly  40:01

But when you have someone who can help them, direct them, it can bring out their personality. So it is true to find that right person

Meaghan Ziemba  40:08

make the investment.

Curt Anderson  40:09

Yeah, so our mutual friend Meaghan, I know you’re good friends. With Jeff Long. We all love just long. Hopefully his ears are burning right now. Great video expert for manufacturers. However, you know what? Now Nicole. We’ve also found, you know, Megan, hit some phenomenal points, testimonials, case studies, getting the message out about your team, we found those fierce advocate of those fierce introverts. Where do they thrive? Miss Nicole? Where do they thrive?

Nicole Donnelly  40:36

They thrive on camera, they thrive on lives, they thrive on

Curt Anderson  40:39

our live stream. So we’ve been bringing a lot of our clients on the live stream show. And they’re like, kicking and screaming and don’t want to come on and you know, painful and they come on and they just blow us away. Again, if you’re little, you know, little intimidated by the whole camera thing. I’m going to come back there was a great comment here. Natalie, thank you for joining us. So Meaghan, how about a little warm for Megan here, our amazing, incredible esteemed guests, loving the answer about overset sensitivity, I wish more people would be open to communication instead of judging. I know we’ve got some great comments here in the comment. Jan, happy Monday to Jan be authentic, be real, earn your clients respect, love that. You should be like you don’t worry about anybody else. Guys, we’re here with magazine, but the manufacturing Maven. So Nicole, what else you have? I know.

Nicole Donnelly  41:29

So I just have to say about being you. I just had a conversation with a client about this last week. And she’s just like, I don’t know what to say on LinkedIn, I see that you do this kind of poll. And I see that this person does it this way. And I just don’t want to bare my soul on LinkedIn. And like you don’t need to bare your soul. You You know, what is it that you you know, share yourself. So I love that I think that’s so true. And lets go of some of the pressure of having to feel like you need to be a certain way. So yeah, I think that’s that’s really great. And testimonials. I love the idea. And I you know, Curt has done this really well where you can combine testimonials with storytelling, whereas it’s you get to bring the story of that relationship, how you came together the magic that happened and turn it into a really cool story that shows you know how great the partnership is, and what good it brought to the company. So I

Meaghan Ziemba  42:18

actually, that’s actually one of the things that I’m getting most of my clients from now is they need help writing their testimonials. And oh, how can I do it? If I have an NDA? And I’m like, it’s really not that hard. I’ll show you how to do it. So um, yeah, it’s been, it’s been fun because I, I think people want to hear more of the stories. And I mean, we’ve all seen this as marketers, no one really cares about the features. Like, they just want to know that what your solution is, is going to help with their problem. So how’s your solution gonna help their problem and you can’t be so like, company focused, you have to be customer focused. And a lot of people are doing their own research now. And they want to buy from a company that they trust, and that’s including Gen Z, like Gen Z is really focused on where they’re getting their products from who who’s selling it, who is supporting it, who’s advocating for it? And like, my daughter is so obsessed with the Kardashians, I have no idea why but she gets a lot of their products that they recommend. And I’m just like, please stop doing that. Like that’s not a family.

Curt Anderson  43:31

Guide. You know what, just I’m not when we were young Megan, we were all in sorts of goofy things. Right? So Elizabeth drops. Another great comment here one of the key components of successful marketing from introverts as empathy, emotional intelligence. I know that’s a great line there. Let’s go here. Megan, as we start winding down this amazing, incredible, wonderful interview. You have really, I mean, what you’ve done in the past few years to create, if you’re comfortable with me using the word influencer, you’ve just You’re such a pot. And if you’re uncomfortable with the word influencer, I know Damon, you hate that word. How about a positive? And how about a positive influence or just a really driving force behind manufacturing mavens manufacturing? Damon, you’ve done an amazing job. We’ve become fast friends, business partners here because of LinkedIn. Nicole, our relationship is thanks, LinkedIn. Megan, I know you through LinkedIn, if folks are out there, they’re a little intimidated. A manufacturer like Hey, I know this. LinkedIn is good for you marketing people, but I don’t really get the manufacturing. Share, Like, Share what you’ve done, like share your journey. And I know I love your humility. You don’t have to be totally humble but just talking about what has LinkedIn done for you, your family, your career over the past three years.

Meaghan Ziemba  44:46

I don’t think it’s just for us marketing people. There’s companies and CEOs that are on here. So there’s a lot of companies that are looking for employees on here. One of the things that I’m trying to do with the students that I talked to is give them on LinkedIn. So the team that I’m going to be mentoring, they don’t have a LinkedIn page. So I’m going to talk to them about the importance of LinkedIn and why they should be on it. And not just all the other social channels. Um, somebody did put a comment on here about tick tock that I thought was interesting, but it helps build connections, right, you don’t have to travel around the world to people now you can actually just go on your computer, put a couple of keywords in the search box on LinkedIn. So if you’re looking for someone that’s in recruiting, if you’re looking for someone that does packaging, if you’re looking for someone that’s in semiconductors, like you can punch in those key words, and it’s going to bring up individuals that have that in their profile, it’s going to bring up companies, there’s a nice feature on there, if you’re looking for a new job, they always have the job feature on there. So you can look all throughout the world where different positions are. It’s really a good connection to have on LinkedIn, if you’re looking for opportunities and bringing in clients. So I have mom, not just the mavens page, but I also have the zinc page. It’s not as active as the mavens one is right now I’m going to try to work on that a little bit more so people can actually see more of my writing stuff. But I mean, it does, it helped me quit corporate, I don’t have to work for somebody, I work on my own now. And I’ve been doing it for three years, and it’s been successful. So if you’re looking for new leads, definitely go on LinkedIn and put yourself out there and message people and you know, but don’t try to pitch them right away. Like I get a lot of pitches right away. And I just delete those and block those people because it’s just like, you know nothing about me personally, I don’t want Yes, relationship with you.

Curt Anderson  46:43

That’s that’s, that’s not a good thing. Meaghan, you don’t want to know that.

Meaghan Ziemba  46:47

I mentioned this to on a podcast, there was a couple of them and maybe I should start growing my hair out more. I don’t know. But there’s people that messaged me and they were like, sir, and I’m like, Who are you talking to? A sir. Okay. Yeah. Like, you’ll see my picture. And it’s, yeah, so everybody’s like, it’s a bot. And I’m like, I don’t know if it’s bad. Like, okay, cool.

Curt Anderson  47:21

Megan, next time you do come on the show I we are going to shave something on the side here of our right. So anyway, but that’s another story. But can you share with everybody out there? Please familiarize them with your show? Who are you interviewing you? 123 episodes? How about a big round of applause. Awesome. Just being what a fierce advocate. All three of us on the stage here, Nicole, Dave and myself. We know how hard it is to you know that consistency to be putting out that content, interviewing folks on a regular basis to introduce anybody that’s not familiar with your show, talk to him about mavens and manufacturing some of the episodes and guests that you have coming up?

Meaghan Ziemba  47:57

Yeah, so mavens is just a platform for women who are in engineering and manufacturing the trades to come on and share their story and what their skill sets are and how they got involved with engineering and manufacturing. Because I noticed that before in our society, like we didn’t really pitch this sector to women when they were going through high school. And a lot of the conversations I have women are like, Oh, I fell into this completely by accident. So I want to share those stories so that we can come up with ideas to be more purposeful in promoting it to women. And it’s not just women on the shop floor. It’s actually C suite leaders and you know, people starting out people that change careers. I had a few like Second Chance women on I’m also interviewing students because I want to hear their perspective as well and why they might be thinking about joining engineering or manufacturing and what are some of the obstacles they are facing as students. I did talk to a couple of interns at automate, who purposely went to career booths at their high school that only had women representing the tables. So any table that did not have a woman, they skipped over those companies and those companies lost out on some really amazing internships. So just things like that, to bring to the forefront so that we can all start thinking about how to change our strategies and recruiting and brand awareness. I have Ray ripple on who is a metal artist. She was also on a TV series where she was competing, and I think she got pretty far in that series. This week. I have Nicole Calhoun, she actually teaches people how to be better leaders and what what their weaknesses are and their strengths are she’s going to be speaking at the empowering women and industry event that’s coming up in October. Some other guests that I’m hoping to talk to our Nisa Muthana, who’s from Illinois. She works at metal grinding. She’s actually CEO and owner of a metal grinding company. I’m going to an AMT event In Austin, so I’m going to be talking to the AMT ladies there, which is MC, Bonnie and Katherine. And they’re also in charge of IMTS. So it’s going to be interesting to hear what they have coming up frame two. Yes. And then um, yeah, I’m booking for 2024. So there’s a few people that I still need to talk to, to book dates for 2024. Another woman that I want to interview her name is de isla. She’s actually a welding teacher. And she wasn’t planning on being a welding instructor. And then she got pulled into it. And she said that her first time her first year teaching there was only like two girls in her welding class. And then the following year, she had like six or eight. So the students were talking about her and like, Oh, yes, this class is awesome. So she’s like, it just proves that, you know, if you can inspire that next generation, they’re gonna talk about you with their friends and then their friends are gonna get interested in in your pool man. So a lot of interesting guests. I had Barbie the welder on for a past episode. Some of my favorite episodes, were actually with the Royals, the original Rosie the Riveter. So I had some women on who were actually Rosie the Riveter as they were in their 90s Oh, yeah. So just amazing people overall, um, for next year, too, I want to do more panel discussions on some of the serious issues that are going on. So I have something coming up with Ali G and another gentleman who are going to talk about cybersecurity. And what that means was some of these components that we need to start programming, the robotics and everything Ally has a lot of opinions on that and should be a really interesting conversation. And then I have a couple of international trips that I’m planning. I’m hoping to go to Ireland and speak to an engineering school there that is trying to pull more women into their engineering fields. I actually sent a couple shirts to them last year, and she reached out to me this year, and they sent me some stuff that they were making in their class. And then they also sent me a t shirt. I’m hoping to go to Denmark and then in Canada, there is a gentleman named hate Priam. He has two daughters. He calls them the junior board of directors. They watch meetings every Friday, so I’m actually going to go to Canada and interview them and talk to them about some of the things that they’re doing. I think they’re like nine and 10 years old. So it should be a fun interview. Wow. Okay, cool.

Curt Anderson  52:27

game and you feel like an underachiever right now. I mean, I got work to do. game here. I have our guest book for September. I’m like I was thrilled to be out. For man, if you boy, if you know, friends family. I know like, you know, you’re you’re certainly not actively searching for guests. Or maybe you are but boy, you know, somebody that’s just crushing it manufacturing reach out to Meaghan Nicole, I got a few people that come to mind that mean, ya know, there was a rumor going around Michigan. If there’s any truth to this, that you might have been nominated for some type of an award do i do i sources accurate? I don’t know. I need to confirm that.

Meaghan Ziemba  53:09

Yeah. So empowering women and industry is an organization that Charlie Matthews founded. And I met her at IMTS. In 2022, we were both part of the creators lounge. And it’s a great organization for women to get together and just support one another in what we’re doing. And I actually got nominated for an industry Advocacy Award. So I’m hoping you know, but if not, I it’s just it is really amazing to be part of such a list of elite women, because there are a ton of women in this sector that are doing amazing things. And that is really the point of mavens, I’m just trying to highlight them all. So that, you know, the next generations can be like, Wow, that’s what I want to be I want to be just like that and do the things that that person is doing. So hopefully, it’s working.

Curt Anderson  53:58

So inspiring. Nicole, as we wind down words of wisdom, any feedback, what were like big takeaways for you today with this amazing conversation with Megan?

Nicole Donnelly  54:10

What are some some of my biggest takeaways are just Megan, what a great job you’re doing building relationships. I mean, just the care and thought that you put into all the relationships and all the people that you’ve met, that really comes through, and I think that’s really inspiring to me is how much you invest in those relationships. And you can tell that you really care for each individual person that you meet, and that, you know, you want to help each person, the one that you know, and that will impact the many. So that really came across to me that was just really inspiring. I love your approach. You really are focused on those relationships, and it shows and I do have a question for you though. One question, you know, what do you see like I’m just super curious because you’ve been in this industry so long. What do you think is going really well? What do you see has changed or shifted? Since you’ve been doing This, you know, as as you’ve been an advocate like what, what kind of changes are you starting to see that you’re really excited about or that you feel like, you know, is kind of tide turning a little bit.

Meaghan Ziemba  55:11

I’m definitely seeing more women supporting women and being confident in themselves. I know there’s a word going around called impostor syndrome. And I’m sure men haven’t, too. But women tend to be a little bit harder on themselves, I think in terms of like, Am I qualified for this job? And do I really belong here? And the answer is, yes, you do. And it’s okay to have those doubts. We all do. But I feel more women coming together as groups and as tribes supporting one another. And, you know, I actually have a text message group with a bunch of my girlfriends that I met on LinkedIn. And anytime we’re going through a hard time, or having a bad day, or having that self doubt, we just text that group and the rest of the women rally around each other. And they’re like, No, you got to stop thinking that way. Like, you can do this, like it’s okay. And we really just help each other out business wise to like, we try to connect each other to other individuals that we think would be successful. The other thing that I see changing is, a lot of men too, are being more vocal about it. Like, I’m not going to say that, you know, we need to push all the old white guys out because no, we need them to as part of the sector. And if it wasn’t for a lot of those old white guys, I probably would not be in the sector at all. So I’m seeing more support for men alleys as well, too. And I see more men asking questions like, you know, how can I be a better supporter for women? What can I do? How can I put my boots to the ground? Do you have any suggestions? So they’re actually reaching out and having those conversations and I think that’s great. I think the more we talk to one another and brainstorm with each other, the better ideas we can come up with and then bring more people on.

Curt Anderson  56:55

Bam, drop the mic before we lose anybody. So you’ve been sitting around for this past however long it’s been this amazing, incredible conversation. It’s a great time to stand up give a little stretch in How about a big standing ovation for Meaghan Ziemba. I know we’re coming to the bottom of the hour, but Meaghan, I have to hang on, you’ve got to hang on for one more minute. Damon, takeaways, thoughts? Your What do you walk away with just this? I mean, it’s it’s mind blowing every time we talked to Meaghan, what are your takeaways today?

Damon Pistulka  57:26

I just love your honest approach. I mean, there’s nothing more than this is the way I see it. I’m out here to help people and this is what I’m gonna do. And just keep doing it. Keep doing what we need. Because you hit so many good things today that were important for us, not just in manufacturing, but anywhere. Just keep doing it.

Curt Anderson  57:49

Thank you. You know, Meaghan, first off, thank you. We applaud you. We salute you. We commend you, you’re just such a fierce advocate for manufacturing your inspirational Mom, your good friend, as so many people and just we love you. We adore you. We are rooting you on when you’re having those tough days. drop us a note. We are right here in your corner supporting you. Nicodemus, I wasn’t going to do this. But Meaghan, if you have another minute, I have to go here.

Meaghan Ziemba  58:18

Okay. Yeah, sure.

Curt Anderson  58:22

Are you a baseball fan? Are you a big baseball fan?

Meaghan Ziemba  58:29

I am for a specific team

Curt Anderson  58:31

with team who’s your team? The Chicago Cubs your Kasi? Okay. You come. Huge Cubs fan? Absolutely love it. Here we go. Are you ready? Are you sitting down? Here we go. Okay. Cubs are playing the Cardinals. It’s the bottom of the night. It’s a tie score. There’s somebody on second base in the the manager Ross right. The catcher that won the World Series for the Chicago Cubs in 2016 is now the manager if I have that, right. He needs somebody to hit in the morning run. He turns down the bench and he looks at and says Hey, Ziemba get up to the plate. I’ve got dinner reservations, we’ve got to end this game. Can you please hit in the winning run? As you’re walking up to the plate to hit the winning run? What is your walk up song

Meaghan Ziemba  59:30

Wow, that’s a great

Curt Anderson  59:38

play. I’ll give you I’ll give you a little I’m distracting everybody else ready. And guys drop a note in the camera told Meghan how awesome she was. It’s bottom of the night playing the cards. There’s somebody on second base, you’ve got to hit in the winning run. What song needs to come on the loudspeaker for you to hit that when you run?

Meaghan Ziemba  59:54

Maybe this is a little McCobb but the metal sound Um Let The Bodies Hit The Floor I’m working out right when he does the scream and that’s

Curt Anderson  1:00:14

that’s putting in a winning run for you, right?

Meaghan Ziemba  1:00:19

You know, everybody just dropped to the floor because she’s gonna hit it out of the park.

Curt Anderson  1:00:25

Meaghan, thank you. You’re never disappoint my friend that you never disappoint. So, let’s go here. Meaghan, again. Thank you guys. Connect with Meaghan on LinkedIn. Please follow her check out her show. It’s on Fridays, mavens manufacturing. Just follow everything that she does any young folks that are thinking about manufacturing send them Meaghan’s way because boy, she will convert them into a raving raving manufacturing fan. So guys, we’re gonna close out

Meaghan Ziemba  1:00:54

real quick if you need t shirts for your youngins, let me know because I love sending out merch to all the kiddos that are interested in engineering manufacturing,

Curt Anderson  1:01:03

mavens swag, I make the hitch up for my daughter for that one. So I thank you. Thank you. Thank you. God bless everybody. We’re back here Friday for another amazing incredible guests. You guys have a killer, amazing week and like we like how we’d love to close out. Just be someone’s inspiration man. Just like Meaghan is just inspiring everybody in her network just be someone’s inspiration. And boy just makes the world a better place. So guys, have a great week, and we’ll see you soon