Monday Manufacturing Motivation – with Aline Badr

Curt Anderson 0:01
Hey Damon Happy Monday brother. How are you? Dude?

Damon Pistulka 0:05
Doing great good. How

Curt Anderson 0:06
are you today? Oh my god if I was any better somebody the weekend right? This is just such an exciting man. Here we are manufacturing Monday motivation. Our goal is to help folks stop being the best kept secret. And I am so excited. So thrilled so honored to introduce my dear friend Aline better than bad. She’s coming to us across the pond here. Damon, how are you today?

Aline Badr 0:33
Oh my goodness. Wow. Are you asking me how am I?

Curt Anderson 0:37
How are you? How are you doing? Like, what? It’s 630 Your time right now?

Aline Badr 0:42
It’s dipsticks. It’s 630. I’ve gone through the Monday blues. So I’m good. You know, like we start sometimes like with the Monday blues, but I’m good. And I’m ready to sort of you know, have this conversation at the beginning of your Monday. Yeah. Oh, good. terrific weekend. Hot weather can’t complain.

Curt Anderson 0:58
Well, this is perfect. Because Damon’s having breakfast. I’m having lunch. You’re having dinner to rob breaking bread together just a little different time of day. So super excited to have you here. We have a couple of people here. Hey, Latoya is dropping a note here. So excited for this. Week got our dear friend Rebecca, happy Monday from Chicago and hybrid. Becca, we were just signed our mastermind group together. And we’ll talk about that in a minute. But Alicia, you are a global executive coach. One of my favorite things about you. You are a blind spot remover. We’re going to talk about men what is remover? That is her superpower. But we want to take a deep dive. So you know I’m going to kick things off right Damon I’m, I’m not a monkeying around with this one. We’re going to take a deep dive right into it. You’re ready to be ready for this question.

Unknown Speaker 1:44
Let’s make it happen.

Curt Anderson 1:46
Okay. My first question for you today. Little girl. Your international four languages lived in multiple different countries. It’s such an inspiration. We’re going to dig into this as little girl growing up. Who was your hero growing up? Who transformed this amazing dynamic powerhouse of a woman this wonderful business coach that you are? Who is your hero growing up?

Aline Badr 2:14
Oh my gosh, I wish my brother it can hear is this recorded? And I send it to my mother. Because I’ll have to say that it is absolutely my brother and my brother was an innovator. You know, my brother did things that you know, had no precedents. You know, started businesses moved to Germany to import export cars. And like we never knew of any of that. So I think I learned so much from his risk taking and just the way that he handled his himself in life. So he’s definitely my mirror. I love him to death. We and we’ve had so many arguments over the years, but I love him to death and he’s just he’s totally my hero.

Curt Anderson 2:56
What’s your brother’s name? Tony. Tony, a big hello, big shout out to Tony. Tony is a hero of the kickoff the program. So guys hit we’re here today. We got a shout out from Megan. Hey, Megan, how are you? Happy Monday to you. Great to see you here. So guys, if you’re with us, drop us a note you absolutely want to catch. Connect with Aline connect with her on LinkedIn. I dropped her let her website object her newsletter, which is a dynamo. So let’s dig into a couple of things. Leanne. So you have a great quote here. So the key to leadership success is influence. Not authority. Influence not authority. Now, this is just music to our ears here, Damon, lean just let’s take a deep dive. What do you mean by that statement? Let’s how do you how do you help bring out the best in your C level executives that you’re working with? How do you bring their superpowers out?

Aline Badr 3:49
Yeah, I mean, it’s so it’s so great, you really are going deep dive with the first question that because it really is something that is a differentiator, I think, you know, the hierarchical system of leadership, the sort of, you know, command, you know, type of leadership, it just doesn’t work anymore. And I think it’s so much easier to influence. But also influence sometimes has a negative connotation in the sense that people might think that it’s authority, but impactful, like influence really comes down to self awareness to really understanding like, who are you? What’s your impact on the other person? How are you being perceived by the other person? What kind of responsibility do you have as an individual to bring to the team to the business to any stakeholder that you might have? And that has a lot to do with, you know, self awareness of the individual to inspire action, not command action, right. And so that’s the difference, you know, from my perspective, between influence and authority, and when you inspire action, it’s much more sustainable. You know, you’re building loyal business, you’re building loyal relationships, you’re building, you know, relationships where people will just do anything for you. You know when you’re being responsible for who they are for who you are I say when you lead yourself first you know then you can lead others

Curt Anderson 5:07
that is so good so that’s let’s take that a little further now it’s even the future for guys do you have to connect connect with Alene here and she is just a dynamo as you’re finding out if you check some of the things that are said about Lena I want to share Damon team player poise, professionalism per personal commitment, okay, keen eye for strategic brand management, I’d like to dig into that a little bit incredibly talented Strategic Coach, Coach valuable coach and advisor in this I love the most helped me work through challenging leadership situations. Now you shared Tony is your was your hero growing up? You’re at a dynamic career, I believe you’ve worked with some of the who’s who, Deloitte ing some TD some great companies that have been, you know, I in your roster as far as clients go talk a little bit about your personal leadership skills like how did you develop to get to this point on like, you became a leader and how your ability to help leaders?

Aline Badr 6:07
Yeah, I think, you know, just, you know, picking up on what I just said, you know, unlike in the last one, I think I’ve always somehow known that you’ve got to lead yourself first. So I’ve been a self starter, I don’t know if that’s natural. I don’t know where that comes from, I don’t really care to know where that comes from, to be honest with you. But I’ve learned, I’ve learned that that is something that really tracks in life, you know, you really can go far when you’re able to really lead yourself first. So I’ve always been a self starter. I’ve always also observed, I think, you know, some of the things that you know, you pick up on your observe other inactions, you pick up things that you don’t want, you know to be or do, you also pick up things that you really want to expand on. And so that ability, I think, has really put me in this place, and I sort of known when it’s time to exit and it’s time to enter and it’s time to sort of leave a job or start something or if I have a grand idea to go for it, just by really getting to know myself over the years and we evolve. So it’s a continuous sort of process, you know, to go through that. And so I think one of the questions was, like, you know, how do I do this? For others? I think, you know, one of the questions that you might have is, is what I talked about in my in like in the intro a little bit is this idea that, um, you know, branding and reputation management, you know, and PR, they’re great strategies, but at the end of the day, you’re a human being at the end of the day and you know, if you don’t know yourself if you don’t know you know, the level that you can go to the flexibility that you have within a team you might be hit with a crises which will happen to any leader, any leader, small company, startup, you know, just it will happen and so if you don’t know yourself, you don’t know how to save your reputation, you know, the strategy that you put on, you know, from public relations perspective, or you know, Stakeholder Relations all of those things can only get you so far but it really is your ability to know yourself and how to handle yourself in a crises you know, is really important not to say that my daily job is to you know, like deal with crises. But it is part of you know, the strategy of helping somebody we enforce and Ruth themselves and who they are so that whatever happens you know, in life that they can handle it for themselves and the business that they run because you’re you’re inspiring others right in a in a leadership position. And so helping them you know, remove the blind spots as you still call me like the blind spot remover which I love by the way, I can’t help but think about the what is that my Greek wedding with the Windex Yeah. I feel like

Damon Pistulka 8:49
the father right, the Windex on it on

Aline Badr 8:53
solution and just like those spray on people to remove the blind spots getting clarity I think I help them get clarity on who they are and then you know, they really can influence others influence their life influence others better and they really have an impactful career and business

Curt Anderson 9:14
you know, I want to go off script a little bit from for myself on that one. Let’s take I want to go one step further. So do you feel as a coach Are you able to kind of like what that blind spot remover kind of I love the Windex analogy that every perfect Do you feel that you you’re able to maybe remove the emotion or help the you know, like if sometimes if they’re in that crisis, boy crisis, you know, get your adrenaline is flowing and you’re kind of your emotional maybe anger, upset whatever, you know, whatever emotion that you’re feeling, when you’re coaching with your C level executives, do you feel that you do help them kind of temper or maybe you know, remove the emotion is that kind of what you’re helping with?

Aline Badr 9:51
So interesting what you just said Curt? Because in my past life of when I was just a consultant in PR and reputation and marketing You know, or just the beginning stages of my coaching career, I wouldn’t say that I will shy away from emotions, I’d say like emotions, you know, put them to the side, don’t deal with them. I think my evolution as a coach, and the more that I’ve gotten certified in different types of coaching, the more that I find emotions are the door to the solution, right? Because often people are I mean, leaders are human beings. And so you know, there’s this responsibility to fix everything, you know, you have to fix everything, you have to fix people’s problems, business problems, you know, your stakeholders, you’re, you know, everybody’s problems. And so you take on so much, and so your human being with emotions, and if you’re not just acknowledging the emotion, you know, I think you’re missing a huge opportunity to get through the issue through the problem much more efficiently. So now I really just name it, you just named the emotion, like, if you have a client that you might sense of their anger, you just say, are you angry about something? And they might say no, right? But as, as a coach, it’s your job to name it. And by the way, you do that by listening, right? You really listen, that’s the role of coach in the most baseline of coaching is the ability to listen. And there’s different levels of listening, right. And so, you know, being able to listen, removing yourself, you know, from the, from the conversation and just really listen to the words that they’re saying the body language, the energy around them. That’s an opportunity, I would say, so I don’t shy away from it. I welcome it now. And I think that with my clients, there’s a bit of resistance, nobody wants to deal with emotions. But they now know that it’s an opportunity. So you know, we work through it.

Damon Pistulka 11:45
Well, it’s so funny, you’re talking about emotions, because I think in my own life, that two things emotions, and ego, those two things, when you when you figure those out as a leader, and you can dump the ego, first of all, dump that just just jam it as much. And the darn thing about bought both of them is that they’ll crop up, right? And you really have to be able to recognize when it’s when it’s causing a problem. And as a coach II, I’m sure you’re giving people some cues to go, Okay, this is a way you can recognize, and then here are some ways to divert what you’re doing to improve, because 100% Yeah,

Aline Badr 12:30
and not that we said that it creeps up, you know, it like so maybe we’re moving, we’re moving like 100%, removing the spots, is probably impossible, because human beings, we can’t get rid of our ego, right. So just knowing that it’s always there, but you can kind of give it like a vacation, just go away for a couple of days, you know, or the 30 minutes that you’re in the meeting, or whatever the case may be. So I think shining a light and giving them the tools to know, you know, how to get back into their body, how to get back into their heart, you know, using kind of, you know, this language that a lot of, you know, leaders may shy away from but but, you know, just really getting away from from the thoughts and choosing just more, you know, healthy thoughts and positive thoughts and, and thoughts that are have been worked on so that you actually choosing them, you’re in choice behavior, rather than being an ego and being in a blind spot and just just sort of, you know, operating blindly. So giving them tools to remember that is really important, because that’s what happens on the daily on the daily. We’re gonna go ego heart, ego heart, you know, it’s what happens what you know. Exactly,

Curt Anderson 13:44
yeah, exactly. I absolutely love that. We have some great comments coming in. So Latoya active listening can be difficult for some and needs to be practice. And of course, our dear friends, we’ve got Rosemary here. Hey, rosemary, listening helps you discover where the pain points are. Cursor. Beckett says this is the way and I’m gonna go back up here, Rosemary again, she says, You need to build that circle of trust, right on Alene. And so you know, I want to I want to go into here. You know, I have the honor privilege of being part of a mastermind group, if you will, and our fearless leader is none other than better than bad mysoline hair. So we’re part of the Dorie Clark, recognize the RXR group. And so we’ve got Rebecca here today, we’ve got rosemary, and boy, you when we started, when we joined that group, you raise your hand you said, Hey, guys, I want to start a little mastermind who would like to participate and I’ve learned so much in this group. It’s such an honor, privilege, the friendships that we’ve created. And I know I learned from you every single meeting lean and you talk a lot about like that empathy. And, you know, being involved with the clients on that leadership component. Can you share a little bit about why as a leader why is that empathy and maybe you know, if you haven’t, you know, hope I’m not duplicating and overlapping I Question, but talk about that empathy. Why is that so important for that, you know, being that influential leader as opposed to like, as you’re describing that authority?

Aline Badr 15:09

Yeah, um, you know, empathy baseline, whether you’re a business leader, human being, you know, we all want to understand what the other person is feeling and thinking and just being able to put ourselves in their shoes without trying to understand it from our perspective. So, you know, picking up on what Latoya was saying, active listening is really important, it’s really difficult, but it is the way, you know, to help us, you know, have empathy for the other, you know, and I think, you know, when we’re talking about influence and authority, authority is ego and authority is like, I’m your boss, go do what you need to do. And I need it done by X amount of time, and maybe that person will do exactly that. But is that person really engaged in the process? Is that person going to stick you know, there for you? Is they are they part of building, you know, the vision, you know, are they moving things along? Likely not, they might still do it, because, you know, we need a patient sometimes, and we have a job, you know, but but the idea that if you’re building a business, or if you’re building a team, and if you’re, you know, you’re raising your leadership and evolving your leadership, you want to be able to care about the other, you know, you want to be able to really put yourself in their shoes and really understand them, because you need to move the business along. This isn’t just like Kumbaya, my friends, right? Like, you need to move the business along. But you need to move it from a way that’s very sustainable. And that happens by just being a decent human being, and decent human being empathy, listening, and you inspire action, people want to do things for you, you know, they want to help you move the vision forward, and then they’re happy and you’re happy, and everybody’s happy. And there’s a total possibility to make a whole lot of money in that happiness, you know, to be overly successful in that happiness, you know, that that sort of, you know, limiting belief of Oh, to be a good person means like humbleness and all that stuff, it really is not part of this, the conversation is that, you know, there’s a real possibility to inspire action to make it sustainable, you know, and that everybody’s winning, you know, not just the boss, because you’re the boss, and everybody’s successful. Everybody’s thriving, you know, and so that’s, that’s the role, I think of empathy, in terms of influence, and in terms of ROI in terms of getting the business, you know, moving forward. So that’s, you know, that’s what I would say, and just to maybe just go deeper on the listening part, you know, how do we listen you? How do we like when people say, Oh, great, you know, like, we should all listen, but there’s a real formula, you know, to have a listen, you know, there’s three levels, level one, level two, and level three level one is when you’re having a conversation, and you’re already thinking about the person who’s talking, and you’re already thinking about what to say, you know, and that’s fine. You know, like, sometimes we have to, if somebody’s asking us a direct question, we have to think about that. But when it comes to leadership and effecting change and inspiring action, you want to start to get into the active in a level two listening, level two listening is you’re just not in that picture. You know, as a person, you’re really listening to the words that they’re saying, you’re asking them question, you’re listening to the tone in their voice, you’re listening to their body language, you’re listening to just generally the area that’s a little bit more into level three, listening, you know, when you start to kind of use your intuition, where does intuition come from, you know, like, all that stuff, just, you know, you we know it, we don’t know how to prove it, there’s intuition. You walk sometimes down the hall, or somebody and you just said something, there’s an energy, that’s sometimes level three listening, and that gives you access to so much information, so much information, you know, and so, I think there’s a real key skill that leaders can learn, you know, when it comes to listening, because most leaders what they want is to fix a problem, right? So you’ve got somebody coming in, and you know, and then they go to the leader, their boss, and they’re like, I’ve got a problem. And so the leader just, you know, jumps in solution, let’s go, I’ll find you the solution I want to do is probably sometimes kind of, you know, hold on on that and trust that the other person has the answer. And you do that by listening to them, you know, by listening and asking them a question and helping them figure out the answer themselves. So now what you’re doing is you’re solving the problem, but you’re empowering the other person to feel really good about the solution that they just found on their own. So next time, perhaps they actually might think deeper about the the issue without having to come to the leader because they feel empowered, that they could find a solution, they trust themselves more. So yeah, real little you know, you know, tricks that you know, that you know, leaders can do to help you know, things move along in a way that’s sustainable and influential.

Curt Anderson 19:54
So, okay. We’re just gonna do even

Damon Pistulka 20:01
smaller silence Just a lien

Curt Anderson 20:03
that’s a moment of silence right there. We’re just we’re just savoring the words the brilliance, the wisdom, we’re just gonna come in three levels of listening. Absolutely love them. Great comments come in here boy you get the chatbox on fire. I just when you’re dealing with people you’re dealing with emotions both I love this both there’s and your own. Rosemary says racks rack of course, right? We’ve got Latoya japin the person will be vessel vessel without filling listened to, and a quarter film valued and listening a tool to teach Are you hearing or actually listening? And that is the powerful thing. Now I want to I want to change gears just a little bit. Now if I if I have this correct, you launched your entrepreneurial career 2010 Is that? Do I have that? Yes. Can you take it so for anybody out there maybe that’s working in corporate or they’re at a manufacturer or you know, maybe they’re already an entrepreneur and their boy, boy, you took that leap of faith for office every round? 2010 little bit of a challenging time, financial, you know, we’re so fresh in a financial crisis. Talk a little bit about the courage that leap of faith, what did it take for you, you know, you could have built a wonderfully successful career stay in corporate, but you took that leap, can you just share a little bit of what inspires you or what went on, in that process to become an entrepreneur in 2010?

Aline Badr 21:26
Yeah, that’s probably a little bit of a longer story. But like, I came back from France, to Canada to be with my dad who had developed Alzheimer’s. So the purpose of me leaving France to go to Canada was to have time to spend with my dad. And then I joined, you know, the PR agency, wonderful learning, wonderful, you know, agency did some brilliant work with a lot of different, you know, clients in different industries. But that my value as a human being wasn’t met, in the sense that I was spending 14 hours at work, great work, but I wasn’t spending time with my dad, I couldn’t find the energy and the peace, you know, to have that, you know, time with my dad. And so then I really had to look at that that was the primary reason for me. And mind you, I should say that I had started businesses before I’m it’s part of my family. So so that’s, there’s a bit of courage? Yes, I think I do, I do have a lot of courage. But I also feel I’ve seen that closely in my life, you know, so that has helped me say, you can jump, right. So I think, let’s say you don’t have that in your life, I think what you need to know is to know what’s important to you, what’s important to you is really the beginning part of taking a risk, you know, and monitoring something or starting, you know, you know, a business leaving a comfortable corporate job, you really want to pay attention to that, because you can stay in the corporate job, but then you’re suffering as a human being eventually down the road, you’ll feel that. And so listening to yourself is really important, knowing what your values are, like, you know, for somebody probably much younger at the time, you know, I was in my 30s, when, when that was happening, I really, that was important at that time for me to spend time with my father and to be at peace doing that, you know, and so, knowing yourself is really important taking a risk, and here’s the thing, what else was he but courage, courage, is not the absence of fear. Courage is doing it anyway. You know, and so, so when I learned that I had, I had a mortgage, I did not have lined up, you know, clients, you know, what I mean? lump on board. You know, but, and I was, so I was very nervous. And I was very scared. You know, and so I just knew, though, that because I could see it clearly for me, that all I needed to do was just go for it, and then figure it out as I go along. So I did not have the most strategic business plan. You know, I was not 100% Ready, I had saved some money. So I think that’s definitely important, right? So that if you want to take a risk, you want to think a little bit about a backup plan. But also don’t think too long. And don’t think too much. You know, I think sometimes when you are courageous, you’re just doing it afraid without a lot of information, but you’re just doing it anyway. And that’s how you really build it. You know, my formula, I don’t know if it works on on everybody, but I’ve seen that you know, a number of times from various different you know, clients, I’ve worked with family members, you know, people that I’ve known in my life, and a lot of people really do jump and as the quote says, you know, you jump and then you build your wings on the way down you know

Damon Pistulka 24:45
it’s a quote I use often because it’s really when you talk to us as you do with the startup people and entrepreneurs. The story is similar they know there’s there’s a reason why it’s there by values don’t align they aren’t fulfilled with the work Doing whatever it is, and they know there’s a better way. They don’t know exactly the path, but they know there is a better way. So great.

Curt Anderson 25:08
Yeah, I absolutely love that. And so you know, just fighting through the fear of being, you know, having courage isn’t replacing or eliminating fear, it’s just fighting through the fear and doing it anyway, I absolutely love that. So you’ve done a great job, and I dropped your website in the chat in the comments here. So check out his website, you want to check out her newsletter. Now you also talked about one of your superpowers taglines converting vision to results do I have that crack converted into results? So let’s so if we Dave and I, we love preaching to manufacturers we love you know, how can we help with that? E commerce strategy, digital transformation, if you will talk a little bit about what are some strategies that you use with your clients? You could share with folks today? Like how do you convert that vision into results? Yeah,

Aline Badr 25:57
it’s gaining the trust of others. So that’s the journey that I take them on is to get to the idea of you know, when you trust somebody, then you move vision to results, you know, there’s no other way, you know, trust is really what you’re aiming for. So, you know, then then the question be, how do you get trust, because once you have trust, vision is moving to results? There’s no question about it, you know, and so and so the idea is that, how do you build trust with somebody, so we’ve talked a lot of a few things, you know, empathy, self awareness, communicating, you know, what I mean, a lot of times we communicate was such a mask was such flowery words was such, you know, too much thinking. And sometimes we just have to believe, you know, sometimes the words as they are, you know, with, with our, with our teams with people, and so, you know, those are the kinds of things I work with clients on but but really, I’ve built like a model where it’s very much focused on self awareness, then it’s, you know, really adapting your behaviors based on the awareness and the confidence that you’ve gained. So once you’re confident from a place that feels very true and clear, you’re able to adapt your behavior. So the behavior of listening, your presence, your body presence, the way that you speak to somebody, you know, the energy that you bring in, you know, to a meeting or to a conversation, you know, the way that you communicate whether through just, you know, a blog post, whether you’re communicating in a meeting, or communicating in a conversation or on the phone, you know, listening, we talked a little bit about that, you know, so we move through, you know, the model over a 12 month period, you know, like, work with my clients on, and then we start to get into credibility. You know, once once you’re able to listen to somebody, and you’re making them feel empowered, and they feel like they are valued. You know, they’re being seen, they’re being heard, they’re being understood, and then you and then you actually do the things that you’re saying, you’re gonna do, you know, like, you know, when you are promising somebody something, or when you are, you know, scheduling meetings, and they’re showing up to the meetings, and you’re showing up prepared, and you’re showing up with great energy and clarity and confidence, you’re building credibility. And then once you build credibility, you’re able to move into a reputation that’s sustainable. This is where trust happens. And inspiration happens. You can build a reputation from just a standard public relations perspective, and it works great. But the way that I work is I go further into who are you as a person? How are you showing up? And then what kind of wow factor are you having, you know, with your reputation, so that when you’re speaking with somebody, you just inspiring, you’re, you know, you’re, you’re moving them into into action, they feel really good about who they are, they trust you. Because you’re consistent with your language, you’re consistent with your presence, you’re consistent with your listening, you know, and you build trust that way. And then people really want to do things for you. I’ve seen this a number of times with so many different clients, you know, from, you know, CEOs to even like high potential, you know, leaders are moving from one sort of area of their career to another, it really is all about influencing people and then like when they trust you, you can influence them so much more to do what you want them to do. And that’s how you envision to results. You know, really is a trust sort of game.

Damon Pistulka 29:30
Okay, this hold on there for a second. Just relax and listen, reflect on that a little.

Curt Anderson 29:38
So, if you’re catching this on replay, you just want to hit just take that little drink that load on for a little replay and just like listen to that one over again. So I just to kind of recap and I want to take it a step further on that building trust. We’ve talked about empathy, how do you convert vision to results, you know, influence, leadership through influence If I’m off script again, I’m just kind of asking a little goofy naive question. You know, like we talked about like that vulnerability, empathy. If a leader, where’s the line on? Hey, I want to really show myself my emotion. Maybe I’ll you know, be I broke into tears in front of the team or what have you? Where’s the line of where the team was like, Gee, I can’t believe kerchief did this or I can’t, you know, like, where do you draw the line of like, showing some emotion or like showing that empathy or vulnerability versus where I’m kind of losing a little bit of the confidence in, you know, what I’m saying? Like, is there? Is there a line or how, you know, how far do we take that vulnerability line, maintaining that confidence and trust? Sure. And

Aline Badr 30:40
I think that the quick answer is context. You know, like, context is really important. Like, is it necessary for you to be you know, that emotional and that open and not single situation? Yeah, it’s a formula. It’s not authentic. Right. And so I think that you want to be less formulaic about how you’re showing up and just say, oh, authenticity is the thing to do these days and leadership. So let me just be authentic. Yeah, let me share everything that’s like when people go on social media, and they share everything. Right, right. Unnecessary, will be important. Context is we know, in your audience, you know, basic stuff, right? We the room, you know, like weeding the room requires you then gives you the information, whether certain things are important to share, because emotions can take up everybody’s energy, you know, and so, but how do you know that is, if you’re self aware, if you’re self aware, you know, when to really like, be able to share your emotion, otherwise, you can just kind of deal with them at a at a different time. So just reading, knowing your audience, I think, you know, context are are ways to consider when you know, to answer your question quite a bit like, you know, this whole idea of vulnerability like, you know, all the time, I don’t think it’s necessary. Yeah.

Curt Anderson 32:08
Awesome. Oh, that’s a fantastic answer. We have a couple of great comments. Again, rosemary, I’d say rosemary, the queen of communication, I’ll tell you, she is absolutely phenomenal, good, clear, consistent communication plays a central role in building trust. You guys want to absolutely connect with rosemary. She’s doing a great webinar next week at iMac for us. And so and then Latoya, the team, you’re creating low acceptance support as well, the trust, I love that. So at least I know, man, I could talk with you all day, I want to be mindful of your time, you’re doing some amazing work with, you’re not sliding into like academia, and man, you don’t swing, you swing for the fences, you don’t mess around with the small guys, you go back to the Ivy League, I know you’re doing some great work at Columbia University, talk a little bit like from that side of things, educating, you know, helping folks understand, you know, these little leadership values that you’re implementing, and teaching, talk a little bit about what your webinars some of what you’re doing some of the work you’re doing with universities now.

Aline Badr 33:06
Yeah, I think, you know, I didn’t know how much I would love it until I, you know, was doing it. And I just absolutely love it, you know, and I think that it’s part of, you know, the same sort of thing for me in terms of helping people really be self aware, and especially young leaders as they’re growing, or startup founders, or as they’re growing their business, it’s so interesting and meaningful, to be at the ground level of who they’re choosing to be, you know, what their intention is, you know, in terms of who they are as leaders. So, from a from, you know, academia perspective, that’s what I love, and that’s, you know, what I’m hoping to teach and it really is, right now, this idea of, you know, the fight between content marketing or you know, earned media, so, owned media or earned media, and it falls into this idea of showing up as who you are, it falls into this idea that content is really important. And having a voice is really important and sharing it letting people know who you are is really important. So that’s you know, the focus that I have right now with academia and it’s just starting so it’s up for evolution and creation I you know, I don’t want to go in with just 100% my idea, I kind of love to co create and so we’ll see kind of you know what that produces and what I’ll be able to sort of you know, evolve the program you know to be

Curt Anderson 34:25
well we wish you massive success with with your this direction and you’re not Damon you’re negative. What a coincidence. This is Luke who dropped a comment straight from Columbia University. We have Glamis, my dear friend, Glamis, Glamis, you and allene absolutely have to connect you guys would be besties and she is at the Small Business Development Center at Columbia University, right man and she is a rock star so we were colleagues years and years ago, and and this is hysterical. Every year Glenn was would win like the advisor, you know, there were like hundreds of advisors throughout all New York State in urine, you’re out Glamis would win the, the visor of the year, that’s what I left. I always hurt my feelings and these and I love lambdas like, but she has a great question here isn’t excessive sick or off days an indicator of employment happening? How about that question?

Aline Badr 35:20
I mean, you know, I think I think the answer is, is yes, you want to ask yourself, why is the employee you know, taking as many days as they are, you know, I think a sign of a healthy, you know, workspace is somebody is, is a workplace where people want to show up, they want to roll up their sleeves, you know, they want to do you know, the work together, they want to sort of move things into action and to move it into action. So, I would say that, yes, you know, excessive is really a sign of, there’s something that’s going on there. And a good leader would ask, you know, a good leader would take note of that, you know, with notice these things and start asking, you know, like, you know, is there a reason for that and to engage and perhaps could bring, you know, that person back in from an inspirational perspective? So, I would say, yes, it is, it is a sign,

Curt Anderson 36:13
perfect and not, and, and I, and that slides, right into a perfect question, because I think you have a quote on your website, people follow you, because they want to, not because they have to, right, and that’s, and I don’t, we’re coming into time, but that could be one of our wind down questions, right there, shake, you know, I know, a lot of my friends that are in corporate, you know, maybe they’ve jumped around or whenever they’ve left, they, you know, they hear a tagline of I don’t have a corporate career, I’ve always been an entrepreneur, but I always hear people don’t necessarily leave companies, they leave people. Right? Can you just share a little bit on your experience or your thoughts when you’re working leaders on people that want to follow versus to tap to follow?

Aline Badr 36:54
Yeah, I think that business is run by people. So you know, it really is less about the ideas, you know, and more about people, you know, everybody is very smart and capable to come up with amazing, innovative ideas, but how you are able to come up with that is by honoring the person for who they are, you know, and I think that when people follow you because they want to, then they’re creating amazing ideas and innovative ways of expanding the business. And it really is, you know, when people follow you because they want to when people follow you because they have to is influence versus authority 100% You know, authority is on your boss, you got to follow me. So you follow me, you know, influence is I want to follow you because I want to do something about you, I want to learn from you, I you know I something about you that makes me feel seen and heard and value. And I want to help you and I know that you helping me too. So that’s what I would say with that.

Curt Anderson 37:55
Yeah, that is awesome. We’ve got one more comment here from our dear friend Megan, knowing yourself as a leader in genuine authentic power acts as a natural power of example, for others accrete themselves as leaders. So that is a great comment. So Linwood, let’s, let’s wind down. I know, we’re coming into time here, and I’ve got a ton. I want to ask you one, one last question. I guess. We talk unites our mastermind group and together as friends. And again, my admiration, my respect, my my love for you is just off the charts. You’ve just been such a blessing to me. And in my pursuit for professional growth this year. Sure. A little bit on we were talking about diversity. Okay. So there’s manufacturers out there that maybe struggle with like, you know, hey, you know, workforce has been awful this year. And maybe they want to get more intentional on creating a more diverse workforce. Any tips or advice that you would share with folks that are trying to get more intentional creating diversity in their workplace?

Aline Badr 38:55
Yeah, I will answer that question. I just want to say right back at you, Kurt, you know, I don’t know anybody that you know, knows you, that doesn’t love you. You’re amazing. So thank you for your friendship. Yeah, so I think diversity, what’s really important about diversity is that a lot of people need to understand before they allow you the space to be heard, you know, and see. So if you just remove that from the equation, like it’s okay, that you don’t understand the other person, but just asking them question invites diversity. And obviously, we’re talking like, other than skin color and gender, you know, like this education, you know, diversity, you know, experience, you know, places that you’ve lived, you know, different experiences, different industries. So, I think sometimes when we see somebody so different from us, you know, we want to understand before we kind of go in and you know, accept, you know, the situation or the other person. So, I think, for me, what I’ve seen about diversity is that it’s less about understanding and just more about allowing As to inspire each other through our differences not through our similarities so that yeah that’s what I would say but that

Damon Pistulka 40:11
learning other through our differences

Curt Anderson 40:14
firing others through our differences that’s like the that’s the drop the mic I got mine right here. I’m dropping. Amen. You got yours right there drop spire through our differences. I promise my last question. All right inspiration who and this was so good Alene and thank goodness okay to get Mike See, we’re talking about emotional earlier you know, I’m trying to Damon you know how I get I get a little fired up. I’m trying to tame my emotions right now. This was so good Alina. I can’t thank you enough. Let’s talk about inspiration as we and I promise this will be my last clip my last question for you. Okay. You sir Tony. Tony for So listen, and God bless your brother. You know did an amazing job big brother little brother. See Big Brother?

Aline Badr 41:05
I’m the youngest of seven. Are you kidding? Oh,

Curt Anderson 41:07
you’re the baby of seven. Awesome team and how many in your family? How many kids did you live? You had five? Okay, well, she’s got up man. I was just Yeah, Sisters is the two of us. That’s, you know, you had a wonderful magical year. If you don’t mind me share it on our live today. You made a big move. Made a big right. Can I share that today? You know, you were just beaming just you know, you’ve bought a new place that you’re living in in Barcelona, I have that correct. You have a condo, and you’re just so thrilled. So excited. And again, we have a group of folks that we’ve come together with rosemary, Rebecca are here. Everybody else in our group, Robin, Kristin, Dana, Tiffany, our little mastermind group, great group of inspiration, who inspires you today who inspires you? You’re a driving force or a powerhouse, helping C level executives, you’re now working with Ivy League universities? Who is your inspiration today?

Aline Badr 42:09
You know, it’s so funny, I just joined this co working space here in the city. And you know, they did an event where we get to know each other. And so they asked that question, you know, they asked like, yeah, who inspires you? And, you know, I can rhyme a number of people that inspire me, I really learn through people, right. But what came to me that that other day was really different. I think it’s, you know, there’s some bad people out there, right. And so there’s bad leaders and bad, you know, bad behavior, you know, that people sometimes, you know, showcase and show us. So I think for me, honestly, it’s that type of person that really inspires me to just be more responsible for who I am as an individual. You know, I think that, you know, we need to really look at ourselves and look at the energy that we’re bringing to the world and to our teams and to our clients and to our families and everybody around us. So I think lately, this is what I see. So you know, it’s one maybe I can judge them but I try not to and I take away that you know what, that’s going to remind me that I have to do some work continuously do work on myself because I’m responsible for the energy that I plan to the world so zen I love this. This

Curt Anderson 43:28
is great. Dinner time, it’s dinner time in Barcelona. So we’re just kind of savoring it. It’s lunchtime here in New York. Damon, you’re so you’re so breakfast this time. So we’re just kind of soaking this and all that. Alright guys, let’s do awesome. Gleaners. Super busy. I want to let her go. So combination of things, number one, inspire by others differences. Boy, that was a big Mic drop. We’ve had all sorts of incredible valuable information, better listening, better communication, you know, some great strategies on building that trust and how to really build that that dynamic, dynamic team. So Alene. First off, thank you, thank you, we salute you, we praise you, we worship you, you’re just such an honor. Guys, we strongly encourage you connect with the lien here on LinkedIn, check out her website, you do yourself a favor, you’ll thank me later sign up for her newsletter. She has great wonderful information, a lot of great strategies that you just caught here. Just a lot of wonderful things. Alene Thank you. Yeah, I just can’t express my gratitude to you this was just such a blessing and what you know, coming together through Dorie Clark’s group as I’m what a great decision that was the join her group just to have this, this moment with you today. So you know, Dorie Clark, zero was demon. Do remember that one is Dorie Clark, who is your hero growing up you know what she said? James Bond. And she didn’t she didn’t bed at night. Did she? She was like, it was James Bond, you know? Yeah. Do you love it? Yeah, so only dirt bike would answer that. So Alene thank you for everything that you do. We want to check you out at future universities, your workshops, your trainings if you are a boy if you were just if this really sung your song that said that right? Connect with Leanne, she can help you as a leadership coach. David, what do you got going on this week? You got faces a business Tuesday and Thursday, six o’clock Eastern three o’clock Pacific. We have a great guest Bert, you know what, we’re over the pond. We have a gentleman from Germany. Friday. So we’re Rachel time this week. We’re in Spain today. We’re in Germany on Friday, just all sorts of good exciting things. I could wear my I’m at Temple University in an hour. So if you guys want to learn about SEO, I’m at Temple University at two guys. So okay, we’re gonna wind down Damon, anything you want to participate with?

Damon Pistulka 45:48
No, just thanks. Thanks, Elaine, for being here. It’s great. Great, great, great.

Curt Anderson 45:52
Okay, everybody. If you’ve been sitting down for this whole program, let’s all stand up standing right little standing ovation, or lean I’m standing

Aline Badr 46:01
on it. Just want to say thank you to both of you so much for such a great conversation. And honestly for what you do, you know, so wonderful, but you know, they’re such leaders like yourselves, and it just sort of keeps us inspired, you know, to do this work that we’re all doing. So,

Curt Anderson 46:17
Glamis gives a Thanks, Anna. Hello. So you’ve got to connect with

Aline Badr 46:21
Glamis, for sure.

Curt Anderson 46:24
Alright, linking up with us one second. We’ll get you on to your day. All right. Keep spreading your awesomeness. Have an amazing, incredible week and we will catch you there Janine. Hi, everyone.